Nov. 14, 2024

S2:E11 "Block it Like It's Hot Down Under Part II: Social Media and Medicine"

S2:E11 "Block it Like It's Hot Down Under Part II: Social Media and Medicine"
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S2:E11 "Block it Like It's Hot Down Under Part II: Social Media and Medicine"

In this engaging conclusion of our two-parter, we continue to share some laughs with the amazing Tanya Selak while discussing the value of SoMe collaboration, how to set boundaries when things get rough, and why she's NOT quitting Twitter (X) quite yet. In the meantime, Amit quotes Vanilla Ice, while Tanya seeks redemption as she gets another shot at the Dad-joke title.

 

Join us each month for another sassy conversation about anesthesiology, emergency medicine, critical care, POCUS, pain medicine, ultrasound guided nerve blocks, acute pain, and perioperative care! 

Previously on Block It Like It's Hot. Good day, Jeff. How are you going? Oh, good day, Amit. Say, what happened to our no-accent policy? 

Well, the thing is, Jeff, it's gonna be really tricky not to slip into that in this episode because I'm really stoked. We are joined today by a special guest from Down Under who goes by the name of Gongas Girl on Twitter or x. You two clowns. Did you call us all tragic? Did you call us tragic? 

I mean, tragic's like It's tough but fair. Tragic's like a good it's a good thing. Like, you know, there's good there's good sigma energy. I love a little ankle block when they're having a little nibble on their toes. Yeah. 

Your colleagues know, oh, when she gets calm and polite. I get scared. Start doing chest compressions. Oh my gosh. That's hilarious. 

That is but I didn't win because your mate gave you multiple goes. We're destroying volume at it. Just gonna write that down too. Stay tuned for the exciting conclusion to our two part episode, block it like it's hot down under. I'm Amit Pawa. 

And I'm Jeff Gadsden. And this is Block it like it's hot. It's with the good stuff. Listen. You've got a chance. 

Between now and the end of the podcast, which is not gonna be long, you have a chance to come up with another one, and you may just take over. And Listen, Tanya. I wanna get back into it because I I appreciate that we may still have some people listening that are interested in your opinion. So are your surgeons, generally speaking, supportive of regional anesthesia? I think they are. 

I think there's been quite a change, though. I think, we had some new anesthetists start in our department maybe five, eight years ago who were really interested in regional anesthesia, and our surgeons sort of were not. And I said, look. When you it's great to bring these new because they go on fellowships. It's great that you bring these new skills here for our patients. 

I love that. But you have to be very strategic and very thoughtful about how you introduce this change of practice to everyone, to the nurses, to the surgeons, to the whatnot. Because some surgeons were very biased against regional anesthesia. And in fairness to them, it would sometimes be because they'd been kind of burnt by blocks. So Yeah. 

If Mhmm. People weren't sort of letting them know that they were going to give a block because maybe they would hide in an aesthetic bay with, like, spending a long time doing goodness knows what without communicating. Maybe a patient on the end of the list would get canceled because there was so much time spent doing a block. Mhmm. Maybe the block didn't kinda work after all that time. 

You know? So, you know, the when we have a lot of, you know, MAFAT, mandatory anesthesia faffing around time and the the result's not so great. You you know, sometimes we're a bit mean to surgeons. We go, the surgeons are anti block. But I think if we took a minute to take a perspective from their point of view to show some empathy, we might be curious and wonder why they're not so keen on blocks. 

Mhmm. And so this particular ethicist who started kinda took that on board and ran a very efficient before, during, and after block service, which was great. And the care was revolutionized for, you know, knees patients having knee and hip procedures. So I think you can change culture, but you must collaborate. You must let the nurses know on the board what you're doing, why involve the patients, involve the pre op. 

It's a real team effort, and I think that's something that I wish I had known as an anesthetist starting out. Like, it's all very well-being right. Like, I look at a paper, I say this is better, and I'm right. So we will do this. But that's not even half the battle. 

Mhmm. Yeah. It's all about as that that famous regional anesthetist, Vanilla Ice said. Right? Alright. 

Stop. Collaborate and listen. Right? It's all it's all about that. Yes. 

I can't believe Jeff didn't even know where that was going. Looking at looking at his face, he's like, Amit, you're going way off script here. Where are you going now? Well, listen. You you kind of link or segue into what I was was gonna talk about. 

I wanna give a shout to a chap called Henry Jason from The Philippines. He's been listening to a previous episode where we talked about getting grief from surgeons about placing blocks. And he was actually commenting that his orthopedic surgeons were not so bad, but he had a really tough time getting his general surgeons on board about him doing some fascial plane blocks, for example. And I think you I I was gonna ask you how we should deal with this, but I think you've you've addressed some of that by by talking about, you know, having a discussion, explaining why you think there's a role, communicating clearly so people know what you're gonna do. And then if you follow the patients up and you can show there's been a benefit from your interactions, then then hopefully everyone will be happy. 

But you're right. Sometimes we do give surgeons a a hard time, and we don't acknowledge that they may have had bad experiences beforehand. But have you got any other tips for how we can keep surgeons on board, especially it's coming from someone who's kind of ambivalent about regional anesthesia? I think most surgeons are decent people, and you can appeal to I wanna say what their love language is. I don't mean that, like, in a sexy way, but I think the surgeons are people. 

Right? And you have to think, well, what mode what is motivating them? What are they trying to get out of the treatment that they're giving for their patients? I mean, surgeons, you know, they're with us at two in the morning. They're with us on Easter. 

They they too want the best for their patients. So I think trying to find how the people you work with think, how they tick, what's their love language, and then you can perhaps be a bit more more strategic to try and target how you're going to interact with them to try and make a change and make improvement. I think a very collaborative approach is very important. Because the minute you go at somebody 100 miles an hour, it doesn't matter who that person is. It's just like us. 

It's like someone comes to us and says, you know, we're gonna do x, y, and z. This happens a lot in the hospital. No collaboration. Someone's at you. We're having a change of practice, and you lot are doing this. 

Immediately, we get our shutters up. We don't care whether it's right or not. We're just pissed off. Mhmm. So you have to remember that everyone's a person. 

Everyone's trying to do the best, and we have to think carefully about how we deal with each other. Yeah. I love that. Another sort of practical tip for the listeners, if you are encountering this, or or or if you want to introduce a new block and you're and you want to win over that group of surgeons, a way that we've done it successfully in the past is to do the block offline. So what that typically means is in the PACU, a recovery room afterwards. 

So when feasible. In that way, you take away the biggest concern that our surgeons have, which is you're just gonna delay me. I'm not gonna be able to make my restaurant reservation tonight if we're doing four blocks, each taking twenty minutes in the OR on top of my list. So and then once you get once you've done it in the pack, you've served 10 times, then you you've proven your value. The nurses understand the immediate value of the blocks that gets fed back to the surgeon. 

The surgeons see how comfortable the patients are, and you're better at it now. Like, you can do the block in minutes instead of twenty minutes. So then you can say, hey. Now we can do it ahead of time and really leverage the power of that block intraoperatively. Those are excellent taps. 

Yes. And I was about to say excellent taps too, but I can't do that. That sounded more that sounded more gutted. By the way, fun fun fact that you might not know about me. Speaking of PACU, the nurses in our recovery unit are cheeky, and they always put my patient in basics. 

That's hilarious. Every time. They're they're trolling me. Oh, which bay have we got? Which bay have we got for doctor Seelak's patient? 

Oh, Base six? Oh, what a surprise. Again, the mean cheeky people. Say say basics in your in your normal accent. Basics. 

Okay. K. That sounded normal to me. Yeah. That sounded completely normal. 

I don't see why they well, I don't know what they would I don't know how they're trolling. They are very naughty, those paku nurses. Extremely ly naughty. Naughty. Right. 

Listen, Tanya, we can't have you on this podcast and not talk about the thing that you're really in addition to being an amazing researcher and now representing on, on Anscare and all the rest of it. But we've gotta talk about social media. How did you get into social media, and why do you think social media is important? So I started when my three children were small, and I was feeling quite I don't know. Like, I was working full time. 

I had kids at home. I had lived in London for a long time. I think I was feeling quite isolated where I was just my whole world was just work and these little kids, and I wanted to have a third space. And so I didn't really I was slow to Twitter. I went to a social media and critical care conference in the Gold Coast maybe ten years ago, and people were saying, oh, you know, a tweet. 

And I didn't know I didn't know what a tweet was. I didn't know what Twitter was. And so I kind of started there about ten years ago. And I really cannot overstate how wonderful Twitter has been for me personally in terms of opening up my world to more than just being at home with tiny little kids and being at work. And I have become a better anesthetist because of what experts like you folk have shared on Twitter. 

Like, I feel quite emotional about it because I'm thinking about the years following the years bringing up you know, building up to the pandemic. There was this beautiful mid Twitter community, not just an ethotist, not just in one country, multicraft group, nursing staff, different types of doctors, our patients. And it was a very kind place where people would share their experiences and learn from each other and highlight what's new, what's happening, what what works in our place. And I think that actually maybe that four or five years before the pandemic hit was so amazing because here we were in Australia hearing about this weird thing happening in Italy and in The UK and The US. And I will be eternally grateful for Twitter colleagues who alerted us, who said this is happening. 

Get prepared. And so in March 2020, I knew so much about COVID because of the kind, generous sharing of information of people who are experiencing it first. I mean, I remember seeing on Twitter some blokes were shaving their faces, and they're going, oh, I'm ready for my fit test. And, I mean, I've worked in three countries. I've never heard of a fit test, let alone had a fit test. 

So based on what Twitter colleagues taught me, I was able to write a whole list of questions to our executive about, well, what are we doing with PPE? What are we doing with fit testing? What are we doing with, you know, elective surgery? Are we continuing that? Do we need to preserve supplies? 

What are we gonna do with ICUs? Who's gonna intubate people? Like, I didn't have the answers, but Twitter gave me the questions to ask. And so I have a deep, profound gratitude for the mid Twitter community for that. I've got to say, Tanya, as you're speaking, I'm getting goosebumps. 

I mean, literally, it's kind of it's you've taken me back to a time and a space that I had kind of forgotten. But, yeah, you you that is difficult not to get emotional hearing you talk about that. So thank you. And, also, we had people like Najella Lawson following along at home Yeah. Being really nice to us and saying, wow. 

You guys are amazing. You're in the hospitals. We really appreciate you. Is there anything we can do for you? I had a number of people on Twitter who are not known to me personally, but who sent me things. 

You know, even doc doctor Wibble in The UK sent me a care package of, like, treats and stuff. Cape Prior. Yeah. I can't tell you how kind it is. And I think people who aren't on social media really just emphasize all the bad things about it. 

And don't get me wrong. There are terrible things about it. Australia is planning to ban it for 16 year olds and and younger later on this year. Yeah. So there are many problems with social media. 

I don't have rose colored glasses. There's a lot of bullying and trolling and body image. It's can be terrible, particularly for young people. Absolutely. The billionaire owners of all the platforms, well, you know, they're probably not people that we would hold in particularly high regard. 

There's many problems. But that personal connection that people could have with each other twenty four seven was really, I think, very profound and very moving and very pure and generous. Can we get back to the fact that strangers sent you care packages? Yes. Like like, how what are you what are you doing on social media that inspires people to send you She's just her real self. 

Yeah. She's just her real self. That's what she I mean, Tanya is I'm doing I'm not doing But we we're obviously not doing enough. I never got sent anything, but, you I mean, Tanya's special. Yeah. 

I think it's just honesty. I think it's just being I think it's just being honest. And I think, you know, we're saying before Twitter is truth to strangers, and Facebook is lies to friends. I think, you know, authenticity is in, and people don't necessarily want to see a sort of shiny, glossy, perfect version of things. I think we're too sophisticated for that now. 

Mhmm. I think you're right. But listen. It's difficult not to mention the fact that x, as it's now known, I'm still gonna call it Twitter, it's changed in its, presentation in the type of content that appears on your for you page, whether you are expecting it or not. So does that do you think you're gonna stick around for a while? 

Are you looking at other avenues like LinkedIn or Instagram or Mastodon or Blue Sky? Because at the moment, I've tried to look at those other areas, but I'm still stuck to Twitter. I can kind of ignore the bad stuff. But has that affected both of you guys? So I think that's a really complex question. 

I think it is true. Twitter has changed. There are lots of people off it for various reasons. I think there's a lot of bad content that comes up. I'm just an expert blocker now. 

Like, blah blah blah. So my feed isn't consumed with nonsense. Actually, interestingly, when I first started Twitter, I was like, I'm never gonna block anyone because I do not want an echo chamber. But now I'm like, the minute someone shows me something that's not okay or has a crossword with me and I don't know them, they're blocked. Like, they're dead to me. 

I've really changed. And, actually, that's improved the way I care for myself in the real world. That's good. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes you have people in your life that are of no use to you that, you know, every interaction is negative. You feel bad about yourself. 

It's always sort of a bit weird. And I have worked out actually, you don't you don't really need to continue with people that make you feel awful. So I learned I've learned a lot. No. Life's too short for that. 

Life's too short. And as I age, I think, Jeff Jeff, what do you think about that? About the Twitter stuff. I mean, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a small election that's happening in my country shortly. So Oh, no. 

It's Got Doesn't come up at all. It's not getting a lot of press at all. But No. I do have No. Nothing. 

I have no like, my my Twitter, who I follow is only medical people. Like, I'm not I haven't broadened my my reach out, but but still my feed ends up, and maybe this is a newer a newer thing, getting a lot of this election type stuff, which is which is slightly annoying. I I managed to scroll through it quickly and get to the good stuff, the stuff I'm interested in, but there's a lot of anger. Right? Yeah. 

I do you know what? But but I think both of you have talked about the fact that you're seeing stuff that maybe either you're not interested in or or is not appropriate, but you're able to filter that out. And and I feel the same because I get a lot of stuff that's showing up and I'm thinking, holy moly. I I don't know where that's come from. I can scroll past it, it hasn't stopped me, from using the platform yet. 

But I think some people, when they see stuff showing up on their phones or their devices that they're not interested in, that's enough to put them off. And I had a I don't wanna give it too much airtime, but I had some I had a bit of trolling relatively recently, and I blocked this particular individual. But somehow, they managed to get access to to to content that featured me. And they've written some really quite unpleasant and nasty things on the platform. And I have to be honest, I took it very personally. 

And I was thinking about leaving the platform, but what was incredible, and this harps back to or links back to what Tanya was saying was I just put a generic tweet out there saying, look, don't be don't be nasty. Be nice. And the amount of support I got from people I know or people I don't know via that platform was a little bit overwhelming. I wasn't expecting to to have so much love. People say, look. 

Ignore that person. Just move on. That, you know, it was and I I got a bit emotional about that because I was I felt so bad about this negative content from one individual that I was thinking about packing in that that whole platform. But, you know, I just put something out there and suddenly out of nowhere, you get a lot of people valuing your input and and being supportive. So for that reason, I think I'm gonna stick around for a bit longer. 

Yeah. I woke up to that one day. I I I was it a week or two ago? And then Yeah. I saw your original post, and then there's this flurry of, we love you, Amit. 

Don't feel bad. You're an amazing person. You know? You're doing great stuff. You're only you're only ever positive. 

Ignore the trolls. And that was that was really I got emotional reading all that. Well, thank you. Listen. For this is I'm gonna use this as an opportunity to say a big thank you to everybody who who contacted me via direct message, via WhatsApp or via via x for that support. 

I really appreciate it. But, Tanya, have you so your your way of dealing with this is just block. Don't let the don't don't listen to what they say. Don't get involved with them, and just look at the positives of that platform. Well, I think I can say that now. 

I've been I've had two episodes in my ten years that were horrific, genuinely horrific, hiding in my room in tears. Horrible. Oh, god. But the thing is you have to think, well, what am I gonna do with this? Because the thing is the person's trolling you. 

Like, what are they what is their why? Their why is they don't like what you're saying, and so they want you to shush up. So one of them was it was to do with sort of masking, and I had anti vaxxers come at me on mass just swarming. And, actually, that's a really it's a good lesson to know kind of, like, your plan of attack that when because, like, it's inevitable. Mhmm. 

So this is the thing. People say, why are you on social media? Because people are coming for you. But this might be hard for some people to know whether you're on social media or not, they're coming for you if they want to. So for example, some people sit there and they go, I'm just gonna Google my name. 

And then they find out that people put a whole lot of hateful things on a Google review about them. You know, like GPs get that or whatnot. They're not on social media, but people are putting all this trash stuff on the Internet about them in a very unfiltered, unfair way. So you actually you can't control what other people are going to do. You can only control yourself. 

And, again, when I've had those experiences, I've just drawn on my support crew, and they have helped me through it. And I had a number of people who coached me and said, look. Just take a minute. That's fine. But don't don't kinda let them it's not letting them win because you still need your piece, but you need to find a way of doing it that allows you to get the most out of it to not be hurt when the trolls inevitably come. 

Because I think social media trolling is just like getting a complication when you put a central line in. You know, we teach people the indications for placing a central line. We give them the technique. We show them the anatomy and whatnot. And despite best efforts, you might puncture the artery. 

Right? That's an understandable complication of insertion of central line. So being trolled on the Internet is a routine expected thing that will happen in 2024 if you're on the Internet, which is everybody. So I think we need to reframe it, and we need to take the kind of shame away from it because I find a lot of, like, victim blaming. Oh, well, if you were gonna tweet about masks, well, what did you expect? 

Obviously, the anti vaxxers are gonna come for you. It's like, well, I've not actually done anything wrong. So why should why should I change my behavior? It's like that whole thing about in a in a workplace, if someone there's a bully and a victim, does the victim always have to leave? Mhmm. 

Right. Maybe the bully should just shouldn't be a bully. How about that? Yeah. But if people aren't enjoying it, then they should get off. 

They definitely should enjoy you know, find their peace. I'm on it because I love it, and I learned so much. That's interesting about having a strategy to deal with the inevitable negativity that's gonna come your way. But it's like what Winston Churchill said. Right? 

Like, you have enemies? Good. That means you stood up for something and took a stand. Yes. That's quite right. 

And, you know, the thing's so funny when you'd go to conferences and you'd have an expert stand up and argue about the latest paper about you should use this drug or should use that drug or you should use this airway or that airway. And in the q and a, there's always the same question. Someone always says, ah, but what do you do? But what do you do? And it would drive me bananas that these ivory tower professors would be asked, what do you do? 

And they would never sort of actually say, well, I do x. They would never actually put their hand up and say, this is what I do. This is how I do it. You know? Come at me, bro. 

And I think that just shows that even if you're a highly esteemed professor, it can be very dangerous to state a view about what you do in your practice. Mhmm. And I think, you know, you guys will definitely get hate for saying, I do this block or I do that block. You actually you draw a line in the sand. And even in regional anesthesia, which is not as spicy as, say, US elections, there are gonna be people that don't like it. 

Right? Yeah. It's wild. Oh my god. The the Really? 

People get so hot and heavy about things. I haven't had a lot of that, but there's the occasional person that makes us both kinda go, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

For sure. I mean, you're together. Right? So you can you can kinda bond with it. That's the other good thing. 

Yeah. Things are always best done in groups. That's true. I sent Ahmed hugs through WhatsApp. Absolutely. 

And I gratefully received them a 100%. So, Tanya, you've given us a a real great strategy for how to deal with some of the, maybe, the unpleasant stuff that comes up on x. I'm just wondering two things. Do you use any other platform, number one? And how do you use the platforms you have access to to access digital education? 

So two questions. Do you use any other platforms other than x or Twitter? And whatever platforms you use, do you use them for education? I I really don't use much else apart from Twitter. I do I'm occasionally drawn to a YouTube video on something. 

By the way, Jeff, your latest videos on doing central line subclavian central line, dear lord, if we had that growing up, how amazing would that be? Wouldn't it have been amazing? Oh, thanks. Thanks. How amazing would would that that have have been? 

Been? That video, everyone should like, the the the fact that it's brief, that it gets to the point, the infographics, every the choice of language is very precise. Precise. It can be relevant no matter where you are across the world, no matter what craft group you're on. It's got the contraindications. 

It's got how to keep safe, and it shows you all that in a way that you're not petrified to do it. Wow. Just say blood patch one. There was a blood patch one that came up very recently. Exactly the same That was cont controversial because of the gown. 

Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. I thought about that. Or lack of. 

Yeah. As a is a a cultural thing depending on where you where you practice. Yes. We should put a disclaimer in there. Yes. 

Trigger alert. You may want to wear a gown watching this video. Well, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. 

You know? And likewise, Amit's all of his YouTube channel, all of that, our our registrars, our residents, they're all looking at those videos all the time. They find them really helpful, really accurate. I mean, that goes without saying. So the YouTube videos from folk like you. 

I tried to get onto Mastodon and Blue Sky. I don't really get it. I can't say I spent I wonder if some people have said I tried to get on Twitter. I don't really get it. That's what Blue Sky and Mastodon's like for me. 

I don't really get it, and I'm kind of I don't really wanna invest the time. Like, if it becomes the new Twitter, then I'm like, okay. Let me know, and I'll pop over. But I don't feel like it's that. Instagram I had a problem with Instagram. 

It was, like, hacked by someone called pippa sixty nine, and it was a bit tricky to get into. So I'm not really there Oh, so because I do use Instagram mainly for selfies and then for my stories when I go on when I go on holiday. But I've tried to tag you in there, but, yeah, you don't seem to have an active account. I I can see your account there. But yeah. 

I can't work out how to to unpup a 69 it. I tried, and I it didn't work. See, I'm not that's that's about it. Facebook a little bit just for particular like, my kids are in community sports or whatnot. Interestingly, I used to, when my kids were small, put a lot of pictures about of my children on Facebook, and I absolutely have been very aggressive in not having the pictures or the names of my kids anywhere. 

And I used to think that was sort of overkill because I do know in early days of Twitter, people would put their kids on there all the time. It's lovely. Beautiful to see people's kids in their natural environment. So lovely. Such a privilege little insight into into them, but I'm not sure that the billionaires need to have access to their images while they're growing up. 

So don't do that anymore. I think, sadly, the the horse has bolted for you and I, Jeff. We're a little bit too too out there. So we've already seen people have used images and and our voices for for certain things. But I think I think for kids, you're absolutely right, Tanya. 

And that's a real consideration for sure. It is. Tanya, do you have any specific x accounts that you think our listeners should follow for education or, like, favorites? So I definitely can't answer that question because the minute you name a favorite, you absolutely cannot carry on. But I'm gonna say Mafie Girl and Bob just because I love them. 

Oh, Mafie Girl and Bob. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Good picks. 

So they are both but yeah. So Mary Anne Fox and Bob Funicata, for sure, they are hilarious. And they seem to be like they're like the, I don't wanna say grandparents because that's putting a wrong age on them, but they're like they're the they're the big brother and big sister on x who kind of look after everyone. I definitely didn't say grandparents. Cut that out, Jeff. 

Cut that out. They're they're basically the your your big bro and sis out on x. You are now blocked. Making sure everybody is okay, and they send out love and positivity. They do. 

And that's all they're about. Right? That's all they're about. Yeah. Very uplifting, very kind, very experienced clinicians, very humble, de escalators. 

I swear to god, Tanya, you have got to watch that. You gotta search very demure, very mindful because you sound just like this. And this person goes like, you see how I'm promoting people on x? That's very thoughtful. Thoughtful. 

That's That's very very mindful, mindful. Very demure. I'm I'm very cutesy. Just Google it. You'll know exactly what I'm talking about after this. 

I'm telling my husband that the feedback is that I'm very demure and very mindful, and he will wonder who it was that you were talking to. What do you reckon, Jeff? I think we've just got a whopper of an episode there with Tanya. I mean, that was Yeah. Phenomenal. 

Absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much, Tanya, for joining us. I mean, Tanya, it's been amazing. I I feel like we've got to know a little bit more about you. I'm gonna give you one opportunity to come at us with a joke if you have one prepared. 

If you don't, we'll leave it, and we'll just call we'll call it a tie between you and Jeff. Have you got a joke for us? As luck would have it, I have a backup joke. Brace yourselves. Okay. 

Let's hear the backup joke. Oh. An engineer, a physicist, and a statistician are hunting. The engineer misses his shot by one meter to the left. The physicist misses her shot by one meter to the right. 

The statistician yells, got them. That's good. Oh, god. I like that one. That was that was a genuine laugh on my part. 

Okay. I think you win. I think you should make the I think you could get the listeners to rate the jokes, and perhaps they could decide. I think so. I think you know what? 

Yeah. Well, why don't we why don't we say that when this episode goes out, we'll launch a little poll to see whose jokes won. Tanya, that was way too intelligent and a surprise right at the end right at the end of the podcast. I think we I think we're gonna wrap it up. It's been so much fun having you with you. 

Thank you for taking the time to join us. You know what I'd love you to do? Can you help us with the first part of our sign off? So I think I can. So if you wanna podcast with lots of sigma energy with two guys with risk to spare, you will like and subscribe. 

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