S1:E1 "Introduction to Block It Like It’s Hot: Who are Amit and Jeff?"

Whether you're team Elsa or team Moana, we have a royal treat of a podcast for you today. I'm Amit Pawa. What do onions, mince pies, and marmite have to do with regional anesthesia? Keep listening to find out. I'm Jeff Gadsden. And this is block it like it's hot.

Jeff, I can't believe it. We've actually done it. We're here now. We're here. 

Yeah. I I I it's been a while since we've been talking about this, but it thankfully has all come together. So, you know, listen. What I've gotta try and work out is, am I talking to you? Are you talking to me? 

Is anyone actually listening to us? I haven't quite worked out how this whole podcasting works. So are we are we talking to each other as if we're just speaking on the phone? I I it's hard to say how many listeners we're having at this exact moment, but, yeah, I think we're just imagine I'm in your living room. Okay. 

I can do that. I can I can do that? Well, listen. The first thing I wanted ask you is what did you think of the music? Oh, listen. 

I am a I am a hip hop fan, and I love this music. It kinda reminds me of something, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Yeah. I think I know what you mean. But you know what? 

We've gotta give a shout out to our music producer, Nat Back, who's come all the way from Venezuela who composed that piece of music for us. But it's also missing something. I mean, I I I don't know. Do you think do you think it's missing a a vital piece of equipment? I think that we have to rap at the end of See, now the problem is you end of the season. 

Demonstrated well, you've showed that you've got the skills with rapping, but you've got no idea what my rap ability is like. I I have faith. I have faith that you you know, with that voice, you can just just freestyle rap this whole thing. Okay. Look. 

Well, maybe for the season finale, maybe at the end of it, we'll we'll get something together. But the first thing we need to establish is who's Snoop and who's Pharrell because, of course, that's what you're talking about. Now how about this logo? How cool is our logo? It it's it's pretty cool. 

You know what I thought would be a good idea is to see if we could have a competition towards the end, see if people could work out where the ultrasound what the ultrasound image is. But, you know, we we we got that design from a chap called Azim Anjum, and he designed it after giving a bit of inspiration. I think that's pretty cool. I'm happy you like that. Yeah. 

It's it's amazing. Now, Houston, hold on a minute. We you know, we you're talking about designs, and what our listeners, of course, won't realize is that, you and I can see each other, and they unfortunately can't see each other. There's there's something about the design of your T shirt that I just need a bit of clarification on. As I'm looking across you, it looks like it says last Christmas, which makes me think that, you need to tell me, is that a WAM shirt you're wearing? 

Yeah. Yes. Yes. It is. Listen. 

I I have a little bit of what you might call a Christmas problem. My wife, Corey, and I have this ongoing discussion every year about when I can start playing Christmas music, and apparently, September is, quote, unquote, too early. But but, you know, now that we're here, I'm representing with this ode to one of my favorite songs, Last Christmas. And, honestly, everyone needs a little more George Michael and Andrew Ridgely in their lives. Am I right? 

Well, I'm I'm not quite sure I'd go that far far, but, you know, I love Christmas too. It it it there's something magical about that that time of year. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. Totally. 

And, you know, listen. I am speaking to Chris, I am jealous that you have ready access to mince pies. You just can't get a good mince pie over here in The US. No, man. Well, you know, I was speaking to an American just the other day, and he was telling me that that he told me a fact that I didn't realize, which is that most of your your pies are sweet over there, and you don't have any savory pies. 

Is that true? You don't have, like, a a chicken and mushroom pie. That's something that you you guys don't have in The States? No. It they're hard to get. 

Yeah. No. You people you say pie, and most people think apple, blueberry Right. You know, cherry pie. It's not, yeah. 

A good savory pie is when I lived in Australia, that was, you know, a real thing. Go down to the corner for a pie. Wow. Okay. Yeah. 

I mean, so we did we we've got a lot of savory pies here. But, look, going back to the subject of mince pies, there's a there's a competition in The UK every year where each of the, the big department stores puts out their wares, and there's a competition to see who can have the best pies. So I absolutely love mince pies. And, you know, there's something about the way you can present them dusted with icing sugar and all the rest of it. So for us, you know, Christmas is a big deal. 

But, you know, I actually heard George Michael playing, I think, back in September. So I think there was a post or something on social media. Somebody was playing Christmas songs Was it me? A bit too early. It me playing? 

It could could have been you. I mean, tell me, Jeff, it's been it's been quite a been quite a an interesting time over the last couple of years. And I think you and I first got together when we did an interview back for as a news that when I was asking you a little bit about the background to to Blocktober. So we're kind of assuming that everybody knows us, but I kind of figured in this intro, it might be useful if we gave people a bit of a background to what we've been up to and and and what our backstories are. Yeah. 

That's fair enough. How have you been, man? Have you is it have you had a good fall season? Or Well, I mean, I guess compared to the activity of the last couple of years, it's been a pretty good year. I mean, COVID had a a a big impact on our lives, and I I guess this wasn't gonna be a a modern day podcast unless we mentioned the c word. 

But, you know, this year, definitely, things are being less dominated by by COVID. We managed to get to a lot of conferences, which has been brilliant. So I had a a surprise visit to to AZRA at the beginning of the year. That was great. That was sort of April time. 

And then we had RUK, which was in Edinburgh, and then Ezra in Greece. And, actually, at least two out of three of those occasions, I managed to meet you there, which is great. Yeah. That was that's fantastic. And I think one of the, I think the highlight undoubtedly, the highlight of my, of my year has been our family holiday, to Disney World into floor in Florida. 

And, like, you know, it may or may not be something that many of our, listeners are aware of, but, the Power family have a big fascination with with Disney. So we've just come back from Florida and had the best time ever. It looked like Matt, I was following you on Instagram and social. It looked like you had an incredible time. You stayed in that that park with the the animals coming out to the window, and there were giraffes and zebras. 

And I I think, you know, we we've stayed at a few a few hotels in that region. I mean, this there's something quite magical about waking up in the morning and looking out the window and seeing these animals. And I'm yeah. I might have had a little bit of fun on Instagram and and maybe a bit of TikTok posting some videos. But, you know, on this subject of Disney, there's a question that's literally been burning. 

I've been burning to ask, and I've really gotta ask you this question. Jeff, who is your favorite Disney princess? Okay. I did not expect that question in this this podcast. It's always nice having a few surprises. 

Yeah. Okay. Man. Is is Moana a princess? Yeah. 

You can definitely have Moana. Yeah. You can definitely have Moana. Yeah. Yeah. 

Big big big big Moana fan. Okay. Well, look. I think how about you? I mean, did you did you have breakfast with the princesses while you were there? 

So so so on this particular occasion, we, we neglected to have breakfast with the the princesses, unfortunately. I think they were all very disappointed, but the power budget didn't reach, to that extra $500 required to do that. So, no, we didn't do that on this occasion. What? Oh, wait. 

I you know, I'd I I can't I can't remember how much it cost, but it certainly felt like it cost a lot of money. So, no, we didn't do that on this occasion. I'm trying to work out who my favorite princess is. I you know, I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Elsa from Frozen. I think when Frozen came out, my kids were were at that early stage, and they were really into Disney. 

You know, my wife's blonde. So, you know, it kinda made sense for me to go that way. Yeah. That's not a bad answer. I mean, Elsa versus Anna, the age old question, hit hit us up hit us up on social media. 

Tell us which camp tell us which camp you're in. Well, no. That's now now just to change tack ever so slightly, the other thing that people that may or may not have followed me on social media will know is I'm actually I'm not a Star Wars geek so much, but I'm a big Star Wars fan. So I was blown away by the whole land they had in one of the Disney parks where you you basically feel like you're walking around a dis you know, Star Wars. Like, Batuu is this is this this area. 

So who is your favorite Star Wars character? It look. That that whole set looks amazing. I saw I've seen some pictures. I haven't been there myself yet, but, but plan to at some point. 

I Star Wars is a big part of my growing up. Like, I was Is that right? It it was you know, we had all the all the action figures and, like, the best Christmas I ever had, I got the Millennium Falcon toy for Wow. And it just I have fond, fond memories. And did you have one with the light at the back? 

Or I'm trying to remember whether that was a standard feature or that was just something that one of my friends had. Did did it have a light at the back of it in the in the toy? Not that I recall. It had a a button you could press that had the sounds. It made the, like, the laser Okay. 

Pew pew sound kind of thing. But, no, it was many, many an afternoon spent playing with action figures, Star Wars, someone as a kid. Han Solo. I mean, I'm a Han Solo fan. Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's I should have seen that coming. But, yeah, that's he's smooth. 

He's got the hair. Yep. It's all about you. I got you. I got like, you know, I love you, Jeff. 

And Jeff says, I know. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Listen. 

We talked quite a lot about me, Jeff. Tell me tell me about you what your what your year has been like. What have you been up to? Well, kinda similar. I mean, we had a we had a great year as a family. 

We really made up for a lot of the lack of travel during COVID. Got over to Europe for the first time since 2020. Saw you in Greece and in Ezra. It was amazing. Managed to carve out some time for both a family trip and some time with Cory, my wife and myself, which is I just that has been a really restorative thing is to just get away Mhmm. 

The two of us. Yeah. And then, you know, we just wrapped up Blocktober, which was, a fun, you know, fun team event for us here at DukeWrap. And I mean, that that must have taken so much of your time. I remember sort of having really regularly regular contact with you, but it's it's quite the undertaking, isn't it? 

Yeah. I appreciate that. Thanks. Yeah. I know it's it's, it's evolved into a really both engaging and fulfilling thing for us as as a as a regional team at at here at Duke, but, but incredibly fun. 

You know? Like, it just, and it's it's brought us closer as a group. I mean, I think there is no doubt that what you've done, is you've made, for one of I don't wanna use a cliche, but you you've may you have made regional anesthesia fun. You made it engaging. It's all about you know, I'm sure we're gonna cover some aspects of this in one of our later episodes, but you made the learning of regional anesthesia kind of fun. 

You're not what you're not advocating and saying, look, guys, watch my videos and you should be able to do everything, but you're giving all of the information, that allows people to kind of hone, revise, focus their education. If they wanna delve deeper, they can do. I mean, hats off to you, Jeff. I I think you and the and the Duke rep team have done a great job. Thanks. 

Thanks, man. Appreciate that. Yeah. It's it's I you know, I think maybe it's because of my own short attention span, but, you know, I I think a a five or six minute video seems to seems to be kind of the sweet spot. Undoubtedly. 

Now listen. This intro is is meant to give people a bit of a flavor about us. So do you think we should tell people a little bit about where we're from, what we're about, you know, just so they've got an idea of why we've got such terrible senses of humor. Peel peel back the onion. What is Amit Pawel? 

Who is Amit Pawel? Well, do know it's so funny you should use that onion phrase? I do remember one of my birthday parties. We, we actually paid for an entertainer to to come and, you know, entertain the kids, and he called me Amit Onion. So you've just that's given me a little bit of PTSD there, Jeff. 

I I don't know what to say, but he did actually everyone had nicknames, and I was called Amit Onion. Was it was it a smell related? I I do you know? So I so I actually hadn't thought that that deeply about it. Like, why? 

No. Am. It seems so random. Like, why why call you up? I I I think he thought it rhymed, now now I'm I'm paranoid. 

Okay. So so let well, the thing is, you know, if there's there was a great podcast about, you know, somebody saying, where are you from? And, actually, I could probably occupy the rest of the duration of this podcast with with where I'm from, but I'll give you the short version. A lot of people won't know that actually I was born in Thailand. I was born in Bangkok in Thailand. 

My dad's grandfathers, went out there a long time ago. And so I grew up there, and actually, I could have been Thai were it not for the fact that that we decided to come to The UK when I was sort of less than a year. So I grew up in The UK. I went to university in London. I'm a London boy. 

As much as I tried to kind of, you know, various points of my career to kind of leave London, I I've got London through and through. So I grew up in London, and I went to to University of Guy's and St Thomas', which funny enough is where I'm now working as a consultant. And during my training, do you know I always wanted to be a cardiologist? Really? Where I always said, yep. 

I can't I can't see you as a card well, maybe maybe I can. I well, I don't know. Why why'd you say that? I'm too good looking? Or I think so. 

I think yeah. It's just you're made for Hollywood slash regional anesthesia. Well, you know, some people always tell me that I've got a face for radio, so I'm always guessing that's a good thing. Right? Absolutely. 

Well, so, yes, I kind of I always wanted to do cardiology. And then somewhere along the line, I, you know, I I thought I did, I did my first accident emergency jobs at King's College in London, and I used to see all these, the medical, registrars, the kind of, you know, the senior senior trainees coming down at 02:00 in the morning saying, whatever you do, don't do medicine. Don't do medicine. And the anesthetist, the anesthesiologist, always the cool guys. They'd come down. 

They'd rescue some disaster that we may have perhaps contributed to with overzealous sedation. They just look cool as. And so I decided to do anesthesia. And then during my training, I met a guy whose name you might be aware of, a chap called Rafa Blanco. Yeah. 

He's he's got a name. He's associated with some regional anesthesia stuff that may have inspired what we do. And and and, actually, I spent some time. I did a regional anesthesia fellowship at Guy's and St. Thomas'. 

I spent some time with Rafa, he got me into this society called Elsora, the London Society of Regional Anesthesia. I know it well. And you know what? Yes. It kind of snowballed from there. 

Right? So I became part of Elsora, then REK, and then I managed to I was lucky enough to be voted to be the president of REK. And now that my term as president has ended and my term as immediate past president has almost ended, I'm just a regular guy who loves dad jokes and won't dance. That's me in a nutshell. Won't won't dance or shouldn't dance? 

Probably both. I probably won't dance because I shouldn't dance because when I have danced and it's being caught on camera, it was a it was a painful experience to to watch that back. We'll save that for a treat for the listeners later on. Maybe. Maybe. 

Okay. So, Jeff, I feel like I've kind of hijacked this. I would love to hear more about your bible. Well, not nearly as as exotic as being born in Thailand and raised in The UK. Up in a small town in Canada. 

Do you wanna give a shout out to the town, or are you gonna keep that secret? You're gonna keep some of that. Yeah. Shelburne, Ontario. Wow. 

That's small small town you you probably would wouldn't have heard of. But did my did medical school in at Queen's University in Canada in town of Kingston. It's, like, sort of halfway between Toronto and and Montreal. See, because a lot of people who won't know your backstory would have assumed that you're American. Right? 

You must get that a lot. I do. Yeah. I I I you know, it's funny. Some people say they can hear the Canadian accent coming through now and again. 

But but I can hear it. I think it's pretty good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's getting me watching some if I hey. 

Get me in front of a hockey game, it'll it'll all it'll all come out. But yeah. I then did some residency training in Toronto. And and and then about halfway through, I I decided to switch and transfer to a program in New York City, at Saint Luke's Roosevelt where Nisora was founded by Admir Hadzik and Jerry Vloka. Uh-huh. 

And, yeah, I I knew pretty early on that I was interested in regional. And So you trained with those guys, or you trained under those guys? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Jerry Jerry Incredible. 

Vloco had had left at that point. But Admir Admir was there, and he became a, you know, a great mentor and and friend and colleague and, you know, influence a big part of how, you know, how I approach my career and and and regional anesthesia. Everyone has to live in New York City once in their life. It, so that also played a role in me switching from Toronto to to New York. It was fun for a while, then I sort of finished training, and, my first job is in Australia. 

So What? Hold on a minute. You said that you weren't gonna give us anything tropical. That's pretty tropical. That's not New York City. 

Where did Australia come from? So it was it was one of those sort of weird life things. You know, I I had this moment in my training where I thought, I wanna do chronic pain medicine. And so had gone down the pathway of applying to chronic pain and was had been interviewing for fellowships, but you had not yet done a chronic pain rotation as a as a trainee. And when I did that, I realized it was not for me. 

And so, you know, it got you know? Pain is for peep there are some people for that who are very well suited to pain. Right? It's a great, great specialty, but you just want it for you. No. 

No. I I have I have a huge admiration for people that have the skill set and personality to to do that. It's an incredibly I I have an incredible amount of admiration for that. I I just I'm not built that way. So so I found myself with six months left to go in my training and no I had withdrawn from all the fellowships. 

I didn't wanna do chronic pain. So I had a friend who had gone to Australia to work for for a bit, and she was sort of inspiring me. I thought, you know what? I don't have a I don't have a car or a mortgage or a dog. Why don't we have an adventure? 

So we went down there, and it was it was wonderful. We lived on the beach. We had didn't have kids yet, but made some lifelong friends, did some great work. And I I still pay my aunt's cadoos just in case. Oh, just in case we decide to sort of pull up stakes and head back down down under. 

So that was a great it was a a really a formative part of my professional growth and and just a great year and a half of our life. Yeah. Then then you then you you left there and you came out to New York. Right? Yeah. 

I I decided to you know, the one thing that was missing there was a sort of an academic career, and and I I began to wonder sort of the whole sliding doors thing. Like, what if I what if I stayed here for the rest of my life? Would I regret or miss out on that aspect of of my, you know, career? And so I did come back to New York City and ended up back at Saint Louis Roosevelt with with Admir and spent another seven or eight years there. I have four kids. 

What? And yeah. Yeah. I don't know how that happened. I've got a couple of ideas. 

In a in a two bedroom apartment in Midtown Manhattan, which was just, like, six human beings and one bathroom. It was not sustainable. So we decided to to look for another sort of kinder, gentler place to live, and and North Carolina fit the bill. And, like, Duke University is just an incredible academic institution as as, you know, as universities go, but they have an amazing anesthesia department and had a a a strong and and long history as as a regional anesthesia powerhouse. So it was a good fit. 

My and my my great friend Stuart Grant was here at the time, and so he helped me, see the light and and, and here I am. So we've been here ever since. We've been here about eight years now in North Carolina. Well, listen. I think that was more tropical than you gave it credit for. 

That's quite the story. So, I guess people now have a little bit of an insight into into where we're both coming from. I think you did a great sales pitch for Duke, and I feel I've done Guy's and St. Thomas' a disservice. So listen, Guy's and St. 

Thomas' is an incredible place. I'm very lucky to have some great, some great colleagues. And, yeah, maybe we might be talking about some of the names of those as we go through the next few podcasts. We've got a couple of colleagues that were a guys in Saint Thomas' who certainly contributed to a lot of the literature and regional anesthesia, but what a great place. So it sounds that we're lucky that we both got fabulous, places to live and fabulous places to work, but now let's talk about the nuts and bolts. 

So, you know, we should probably give people an idea, behind what we hope this podcast will be. Right? Yeah. Totally. What what are we trying to what are we trying to achieve here? 

Well, you know what? I think that the only regional anesthesia podcast that I was really aware of before we came out was the As A Rat podcast, which is amazing. And and I've you know, I I I had Raj Gupta and Eric Schweinck, and these guys have been putting this stuff together. I've been listening to it for the longest time. But in addition to that, which is, you know, hardcore academic, but talking about meetings and and and papers, I've also been listening in some of own time to to some of their kind of more fun conversational kind of podcast. 

And I thought it might be useful for people, to hear a couple of enthusiasts about regionalities. They're kind of having a chat with each other and talking about stuff that they find interesting. You know, we we're aiming in this at those that are at the very beginning of their training, so trainees and residents, but also up to those, more experienced practitioners, consultants, and attending. And those have got all experience, so beginners and advanced. And you know what? 

We're talking about all specialties, so anesthesia, ED, critical care, prehospital physicians, allied health professionals, nurses, physician assistants, the whole we would this is the most inclusive podcast that we can create. And I kind of think it'd be fun for people to hear you and I talking about stuff that that excites us. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree. 

And and and I listen. The As A Wrap podcast is amazing, and it's gonna be hard to beat. Listeners, if you are looking for hard hitting content with actual expert hosts and guests, go there. If you wanna hear if you wanna hear dad jokes and debates about whether to tuck in your scrub shirt or not, this is the place for you. That is so true. 

No. I'm just kidding. We're we'll do some real stuff too, and it it's gonna be really useful to talk about aspects of regional anesthesia that you can't get from a paper or an infographic or from a talk at a conference. So hopefully, we hope, friends and listeners, we can get into some of the more practical aspects and, and dive a bit deeper and discuss some some hot topics in our subspecialty. So, yeah. 

So we'll cover aspects like innovation and technology and regional anesthesia, what it's like in the day in the life of the Duke Wrap Block Room or the guys in St. Thomas Block Room or or how to deliver the best awake mastectomy experience, which I know you're I know you're an expert and a fan of. Yeah. Totally. Totally. 

I mean, you know, I'm looking forward to involving our listeners as well and, you know, and getting them to ask us some questions, which they might pose via social media. I you know, before we talk about the next thing I was gonna say, do have to give a shout out to one of my one of my fellows, Chris King. He's the guy that finally gave me, a a kick in up the backside to say, like, get on and do this because he was saying, you know what? I would just I I had I had some time to kill, you know, when I was working on the weekend, and I was just thinking it would be really great if I could listen to something useful. I could fill this time with getting some education while still having some fun. 

He said, look. I think you, you know, I think you should you guys should record a podcast and tell people the type of stuff that they can't get from papers. So absolutely. But, you know, one of the things I'm also looking forward to is maybe having some special guests. What do you think about that, Jeff? 

Oh, absolutely. Special guests are gonna be a lot of fun. I've already got a little shortlist in my head, but Okay. Yeah. That's gonna be that's gonna be fun. 

I also I I think another couple of topics I wanna explore, regional anesthesia education in contemporary practice. How is it different now than when you and I grew up? And I mean, that's absolutely Are we are we meeting the needs of trainees? It's interesting. Like, I we have a a bookshelf in our block area with with tech textbooks. 

And every once in a while, I'll, like, pull one out and blow off the dust. So but, I mean, there's obviously tons of value there, but it it's I mean, it's different the way they the way they study now. How about you? What are you looking forward Well, you know what? I've got a few favorite topics that I like talking about. 

In fact, I've just recently lectured on, and I will be again later on in the year on blocks for trauma. Now this is topical because many of our specialties, whether anesthesiologists or critical care practitioners or prehospital physicians, they get involved with trauma. And, actually, you're talking about what are the right blocks to perform when. Are there any controversial aspects comp you know, to that, such as compartment syndrome or masking neurology? That would be cool to talk about. 

And then there's the thing that, you know, it's what we call the Marmite of regional anesthesia, which is the ESP block. So I kind of figured that would be great to get into. So wait. What do you think about that? I I know I love I love it. 

I'm just I'm stuck on Marmite. Oh, what? You you don't know what Marmite is? No. I know what Marmite. 

I may I'm I I live in Australia. I am firmly team z. You are actually a Marmite there. You have Vegemite. Right? 

You don't have Marmite. You've got I'm sorry. He's he's my Aussie friend here. I'm not gonna do accents. I said don't do accents, Amir. 

Okay. Sorry. What why were you stuck on the Marmite bit? What what I I'm missing the analogy. Is it because it's so common? 

Because some people love it, and some people you so you haven't watched any TV in The UK. So but the whole thing about Marmite is it kinda splits the audience. Some people think Marmite is amazing. It's the best thing since sliced bread for using another analogy. Other people can't stand it. 

So Got it. Got I it. Guess you and I both know of some people that love the ESP block and some other people that maybe not so much. Uh-huh. So I think it'd be useful to kinda get into that. 

Perfect. Not love it. And and also, the thing that I'm a real sucker for gadgets, so I love gadgets and technology. And I reckon you probably got your hands on some some useful pieces of kit. I'm certainly been lucky to use some technology. 

So I think those are the things that kind of excite me. But you know what, Jeff? There's something that I'm the thing that I'm looking forward to the most, can you guess what that is? Is it Disney princesses? No. 

No. No. No. Jeff, it's getting to know you a bit better. I think that would be amazing. 

During the course of the podcast, I think I'm gonna get to know you a bit more. Oh, man. You're you're so sweet. Yeah. No. 

I see same. Same. I think that this is gonna be the the most fun part of this whole thing. Yeah. Now I do have one other serious question that I've got to ask you. 

Oh, serious question time. Okay. So of all the videos, when I've been watching your videos in Blocktober, a lot of videos are adorned with these most incredible sound effects. So I want to know, of all of the sound that, you know, you the you're unzippering, you're you're popping and I can't even do them because I'm not puckered up. I'm not ready. 

But of all the sound effects that you did, what is your favorite sound effect? Oh. Man, you can do a live demo. I'm putting you on the pressure. Jeff was not prepared for this, guys. 

Okay. Well, thank you. I just I you know what I think it is? I think it's the the sound that the pleura makes when it goes down at the the sound. Oh, that was good. 

Let let's do let's do that one more time without me laughing so everyone can hear it purely. Okay? Get oh, I'm ready. Three, two, one. It's so And and, you know, and, know, I I I cannot help but say that each and every time my trainees do any, a paravertebral. 

It's just I can't help myself. Do you know what? Maybe maybe that's gonna be a thing. Maybe that maybe people will start doing that all over the world. How good how good would that be? 

Well, you know, we we've done it. We've done a lot of chat now. So do I do you think we've excited people enough? Do think people are gonna be excited to wanna listen and tune in? I hope so. 

I hope so. Yeah. I mean, I I think there we got a lot of good material that we've lined up, folks, and and I I think, so tune in and and stay with us over the next few episodes and and see how we see how we do. Absolutely. Well, listen. 

I think we're probably supposed to wrap up now. I'm sure it's customary to say something at the end of a podcast. Are we supposed to end with a song or a joke or something? Is that is that the rules? Maybe eventually a song or a joke. 

I think let's keep it a little professional for starters. Okay. Okay. I think we're supposed to say something like like and subscribe to our podcast from your usual podcast provider. That's good. 

That's good. I like that. Yeah. So what do we have? We have Twitter? 

Yeah. So we got we're gonna tell that we what do we got? Our Twitter is at block it underscore hot underscore pod. What else have we got? Hot pod. 

Okay. That's block block it hot pod. Hot pod. Block it hot pod with a underscore in mid sweet. Okay. 

Great. Believe it or not, block it like it's hot and gone. Don't follow those guys. You we're on we're on YouTube at block it like it's hot. Absolutely. 

That was the most straightforward one to get. And we're also on Insta where and when in our promo video, I got this wrong. So Insta, we're at block underscore it underscore like underscore it underscore hot. Block it like it's hot with underscores in between each word. And then yeah. 

We we want them to get involved on Twitter. I hope Twitter's still gonna be here when the podcast gets out. I really do. I think I think it will be. I think it will be. 

Are we are we got a hashtag, which is not surprising. Block it like it's hot. So so so tweet, send us messages on all those media, and follow us from your regular podcast provider. And, Jeff, what what do we need to say? Until the the next episode, we hope they all Block it like it's hot. 

Until next time, guys. See you. See you next time.